Incentivizing Permissionless Distributed Learning of LLMs
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Super excited to announce that our research team at Hugging Face will be doing an AMA on reddit r/LocalLLaMA.
Come ask any questions to the team behind SmolLM, FineWeb and more! And who knows, maybe there’ll be a shiny new release to talk about?
Thursday 4th September, 8AM-11AM PST 🤗
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Come ask any questions to the team behind SmolLM, FineWeb and more! And who knows, maybe there’ll be a shiny new release to talk about?
Thursday 4th September, 8AM-11AM PST 🤗
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Motif 2.6B tech report is pretty insane, first time i see a model with differential attention and polynorm trained at scale!
> It's trained on 2.5T of token, with a "data mixture schedule" to continuously adjust the mixture over training.
> They use WSD with a "Simple moving average" averaging the last 6 ckpt every 8B token.
> They trained on Finemath, Fineweb2, DCLM, TxT360.
> Lot of details in the finetuning data they used, for instance they used EvolKit and did some "dataset fusion" to have more compressed knowledge into the data.
> They mention they also tried Normalized GPT, QK-Norm and Cross Layer Attention.
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> It's trained on 2.5T of token, with a "data mixture schedule" to continuously adjust the mixture over training.
> They use WSD with a "Simple moving average" averaging the last 6 ckpt every 8B token.
> They trained on Finemath, Fineweb2, DCLM, TxT360.
> Lot of details in the finetuning data they used, for instance they used EvolKit and did some "dataset fusion" to have more compressed knowledge into the data.
> They mention they also tried Normalized GPT, QK-Norm and Cross Layer Attention.
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Kimi K2 tech report is full of gems as always. Here are my notes on it:
> MuonClip: Pretty crazy how after 70k the training stabilizes and the QK-clip is basically inactive. There is also no loss in perf with QK-clip which is not trivial at all (at small scale but with aggressive threshold). Also a cool explanation of why muon makes the logit explode in appendix E (tl;dr is that muon makes the singular value of the update matrix higher)
> Sparsity scaling laws to justify their ratio, they have a very solid training infra that allows the model to be trained at this sparsity level, they could have increased even more but as sparsity increases the training becomes less efficient.
> They diminish the number of attention heads to make it more efficient for long context since attention heads are a big bottleneck for long context. They also remove 2 of the 3 "first dense" layers in the dsv3 arch.
With the sparsity and attention heads (divided by 2) they achieve 83% increased flops compared to deepseek v3 arch at 128k.
> Data: Rephrasing is KEY. They do a lot more synthetic data generation and rephrase their corpus to have different styles, for longer documents they do it by chunk. I'm (half) surprised by the fact that ONLY 1 epoch (assuming same number of training tokens I think?) of data rephrased 10 times has better accuracy than 10 epochs of the same data rephrased once.
> They do rewriting for Math and Knowledge, for Math they apply the ShallowMath recipe and instruct the model to rephrase in a "learning note" style
> They talk about diversity and probably have some internal stuff/eval to test that, as always still a bit unclear for me how to properly measure that.
The infra is also very nice, quick summary:
> PP=16 (1F1B schedule, a bit custom), EP=16, zero1
> No FP8 computation but for storage of specific layers, selective recomputation for inexpensive block, activation offloading to CPU
> MuonClip: Pretty crazy how after 70k the training stabilizes and the QK-clip is basically inactive. There is also no loss in perf with QK-clip which is not trivial at all (at small scale but with aggressive threshold). Also a cool explanation of why muon makes the logit explode in appendix E (tl;dr is that muon makes the singular value of the update matrix higher)
> Sparsity scaling laws to justify their ratio, they have a very solid training infra that allows the model to be trained at this sparsity level, they could have increased even more but as sparsity increases the training becomes less efficient.
> They diminish the number of attention heads to make it more efficient for long context since attention heads are a big bottleneck for long context. They also remove 2 of the 3 "first dense" layers in the dsv3 arch.
With the sparsity and attention heads (divided by 2) they achieve 83% increased flops compared to deepseek v3 arch at 128k.
> Data: Rephrasing is KEY. They do a lot more synthetic data generation and rephrase their corpus to have different styles, for longer documents they do it by chunk. I'm (half) surprised by the fact that ONLY 1 epoch (assuming same number of training tokens I think?) of data rephrased 10 times has better accuracy than 10 epochs of the same data rephrased once.
> They do rewriting for Math and Knowledge, for Math they apply the ShallowMath recipe and instruct the model to rephrase in a "learning note" style
> They talk about diversity and probably have some internal stuff/eval to test that, as always still a bit unclear for me how to properly measure that.
The infra is also very nice, quick summary:
> PP=16 (1F1B schedule, a bit custom), EP=16, zero1
> No FP8 computation but for storage of specific layers, selective recomputation for inexpensive block, activation offloading to CPU
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YAML engineering becomes more and more important than ever from infra provisioning to model training (recipes).
Here, I built a simple editor first for @dstackai , and I will share the live endpoint this week. Let me know what you think about this approach.
Based on this approach, if people think this is useful, I am going to do the same thing for the LLM training recipes for popular frameworks such as Hugging Face open-r1, Axolotl, and so on. Let me hear.
Here, I built a simple editor first for @dstackai , and I will share the live endpoint this week. Let me know what you think about this approach.
Based on this approach, if people think this is useful, I am going to do the same thing for the LLM training recipes for popular frameworks such as Hugging Face open-r1, Axolotl, and so on. Let me hear.
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simple guide on the recipe for GRPO on Open-R1 which is built on top of TRL
I think FastAPI wrapper of vLLM with WeightSyncWorker is pretty cool feature. Also, we have many predefined reward functions out of the box!
I think FastAPI wrapper of vLLM with WeightSyncWorker is pretty cool feature. Also, we have many predefined reward functions out of the box!
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Mistral AI Small 3.1 24B is not only commercial free but also the best model in a single GPU deployment.
I packed up all the information you need to know in a single picture. Hope this helps! :)
I packed up all the information you need to know in a single picture. Hope this helps! :)
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Gemma 3 Release in a nutshell
(seems like function calling is not supported whereas the announcement said so)
(seems like function calling is not supported whereas the announcement said so)
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Google just dropped an exciting technical report for the brand-new Gemma3 model! 🚀 Here are my personal notes highlighting the most intriguing architectural innovations, design choices, and insights from this release:
1) Architecture choices:
> No more softcaping, replace by QK-Norm
> Both Pre AND Post Norm
> Wider MLP than Qwen2.5, ~ same depth
> SWA with 5:1 and 1024 (very small and cool ablation on the paper!)
> No MLA to save KV cache, SWA do the job!
2) Long context
> Only increase the rope in the global layer (to 1M)
> Confirmation that it's harder to do long context for smol models, no 128k for the 1B
> Pretrained with 32k context? seems very high
> No yarn nor llama3 like rope extension
3) Distillation
> Only keep te first 256 logits for the teacher
> Ablation on the teacher gap (tl;dr you need some "patience" to see that using a small teacher is better)
> On policy distillation yeahh (by
@agarwl_
et al), not sure if the teacher gap behave the same here, curious if someone have more info?
4) Others
> Checkpoint with QAT, that's very cool
> RL using improve version of BOND, WARM/WARP good excuse to look at
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> Only use Zero3, no TP/PP if i understand correctly ?
> Training budget relatively similar than gemma2
1) Architecture choices:
> No more softcaping, replace by QK-Norm
> Both Pre AND Post Norm
> Wider MLP than Qwen2.5, ~ same depth
> SWA with 5:1 and 1024 (very small and cool ablation on the paper!)
> No MLA to save KV cache, SWA do the job!
2) Long context
> Only increase the rope in the global layer (to 1M)
> Confirmation that it's harder to do long context for smol models, no 128k for the 1B
> Pretrained with 32k context? seems very high
> No yarn nor llama3 like rope extension
3) Distillation
> Only keep te first 256 logits for the teacher
> Ablation on the teacher gap (tl;dr you need some "patience" to see that using a small teacher is better)
> On policy distillation yeahh (by
@agarwl_
et al), not sure if the teacher gap behave the same here, curious if someone have more info?
4) Others
> Checkpoint with QAT, that's very cool
> RL using improve version of BOND, WARM/WARP good excuse to look at
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> Only use Zero3, no TP/PP if i understand correctly ?
> Training budget relatively similar than gemma2
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